So after six week the people who are doing this course via Coursera probably want to see someone who is not me. >> [LAUGH] >> So thank you very much, Andrew and Izzy, for coming along today. You two have just submitted your 6,000 word independent essay. So I'm sure you're absolutely delighted, that you've managed to get that off your slate. >> Yes, of course. >> Would you be good enough to introduce yourself to the people who are doing this course filing distance loading system? >> Do you want to go first? >> All right, I'm Andrew Bird, I am doing a BA history degree. At Royal Holiday, I'm a second year. >> Like Andrew Bird, I'm studying a B.A. in history of Royal Holiday and I'm forced to mention, my favorite course currently, probably be one on post war politics. Looking at, sort of the historiography of the Cold War. Interesting. >> [UNKNOWN]. >> Now one of the emphasis, of the course that we've been, doing thus far, is to look at relationship between image, what I described as public history written by non-academics, and films. So would you just very briefly give an introduction, to what you've done for your independent essay the material you've selected and how you've gone about it. >> Okay, so I was doing the Damned United, which is well it was originally a novel, but it was made into a film, about Brian Cliff's tenure at Leeds United which lasted 44 days and was not the, greatest tenure ever seen in football history. And it's interesting because, rather than showing an actual depiction of the historical events itself, it shows more the memory of the caricature of the man. The Brian Clough we all know and some of us love, some of us hate. His brash attitude. His controversial. Speech. He was a very interesting character, but interestingly, if you look at the evidence itself. Maybe events did not pan have as much as they should have done. [INAUDIBLE] in reality but we should discuss that later. >> Thank you very much sir. Great. Izzy. >> I've been researching about in the name of the father which is a film. Released in 1993 directed by Jim Sheridan, and it depicts the events described in Jerry Conlon autobiography, about the experience of the Gilford Four and the sort of conviction, wrong, wrongfully conviction of the bombing of two public houses in Gilford. It was really controversial film. After all it sort of calls into question the fallibility of the British judicial system. And I found it really interesting looking at, the two sort of newspaper and receptions in England and Ireland. Regarding the film. >> Thank you [UNKNOWN]. Now could you just give the students who are studying for the distance learning mode how this particular unit fits into a degree structure of [INAUDIBLE]. >> It's basically a good way of practicing for your dissertation. The way I refer to it is a mini dissertation. Because of course it's going to be the massive part of your third year for your degree. It also has a sub sect module of it called hi research skills as well. Which helps overall including with the independent essay course to help you learn how to use sources and essentially come up with your own question and find your own method of inquiry. To be able to write an essays which is something, I never really did in other degrees before so it's it's really helped me prepare with that. And it's been very interesting. >> Thanks. Izzy in the first year you would've done history [UNKNOWN] part two. Okay. Do you want to tell us briefly which essay you did in the second term for that course. >> Yes, I wrote about the reliability of newspapers. For that course. And that's actually really aided my independent essay, because I've been sort of researching, the, the shaping and the reflection in the media. Towards in the name of the father. And the skills that I acquired in analyzing newspaper articles. Looking at where they've come from, why they have, adopt certain opinions has really aided my [UNKNOWN] essay. >> Okay, so just, just, you know, to give [UNKNOWN] of what you're doing, the first year we ask you to pick a topic, put a bibliography together in history meanings part two. And the second year with the independent essay. While there's a group of 10 or 11 of you who've been studying with me. That applies to every second year. So, I think there's 21 of my colleagues who've been supervising up to ten students this year. And again, that's to encourage you to more actively use primary sources and that's if you like parallel skills, fine to make it clear to you some of the responsibilities about studying independently when it comes to you 10,000 word dissertation, okay. Can you tell me because it's still a mystery to me, why you end up picking my cinema. In terms of, Anglo American History through film, book, television, rock, opera, which must be one of the more absurd type that was ever given. >> If, I'm honest, It's sort of I thought a break from all the other, it's so different in that it's sort of at times felt like I was doing film studies, or. yeah, it was just really different from the other modules that were available you know. >> I'd agree, I mean, you go to Uni and you do a history degree I'm mean history is interesting don't get me wrong but it's very samely. It really does, does it. It really all has the same sort of thought process and, but with this one it was the first time we could actually branch out and do sneak novels off topic but still ties into the history course. Which I thought was really interesting and I mean, you, you do your degree so you can do a variety of things. Not just the one thing and focus. Of what it's supposed to [INAUDIBLE] degree you're missing out aren't you. I thought it was well worth, the the opportunity. And it was a very good course. >> Can you just talk a little bit about how you view public history having done it with me this year. And also with history [UNKNOWN] part two last year. With my research in the name of the father I'd be looking at, some sort of, lots of historiography of public history and how lots of historians cast it aside and they don't, they don't, they say that, especially in relation to film, it serves to entertain and above all that. In, in that it loses its historical accuracy and meaning, but I found, especially in the name of the father although there are historical inaccuracies, above all the message is not lost, that, it's about, the miscarriage of justice in the case of the [INAUDIBLE]. >> Okay. Andrew? >> Why yes I'd say the same thing. I mean looking at the damage [INAUDIBLE]. Its, its historically accurate, I mean historically it is probably not accurate. That doesn’t mean it is not useful to us as stories. Just because it is historically accurate does not mean I cannot use. It tells us more about, perceptions and climates of the time, social and stuff. Rather than, seeing a very abstract, this is Brian Cloth, this is what he did. It shows more perception of [UNKNOWN] club which I think is very interesting. It's an intrinsic part. [INAUDIBLE] historical research. >> Excellent. Thanks very much guys. We're going to take a short break now, and then we're going to come back and talk about your own projects in a little more detail
