All right, so I'm really glad that you kind of drove home the point that everyone has their own subjective ideals. And I guess with that said, I'm kind of curious to know what are your relationship ideals? >> Well yeah, I have to really say this. Only until very recently that I have become aware that the ideal that I subscribe to is not actually very popularly shared. [LAUGH] So like in this course we have talking about, you know, social scripts, and you know like how people are like heavily influenced by what they learn. And the kind of ideals that the society reinforces. So my personal take, I think it can be summarized in a few keywords. The first important idea that I have is Being. And to me an ideal relationship, when you're really close with someone. The most important thing is for you to be able to be who you really are and to be accepted as who you are and what you stand for. I think that is the ideal relationship. Because an ideal relationship is one in which both parties can become fully who they really are. So I think that is the first thing. The other point, which is sort of like sometimes creates a tension with what I just said, right? Because who and what you are, it can change, because we grow. But then, not everyone wants to grow. Some people are actually afraid of growing, because growth involves change. And it also involves in many cases taking risk, moving into uncertainty. It can also mean danger, or like you're moving into the unfamiliar. But to me a good relationship should be growth-enhancing. There are like theologians and you know, counselors, psychotherapists and theorists, specifically I'm talking about people like Carl Rogers. Who believe that if a relationship is not growth-enhancing, it probably isn't even a relationship that's worth having. [LAUGH] And you probably should think of like quitting and be somewhere else. That's kind of extreme but I tend to agree with him. Like I think a good relationship should be growth-enhancing. So that is the other keyword. For that to happen, of course, the relationship has to develop sort of like a life of its own. So that it has the power, the capacity, to actually support or enhance the participants to grow in it. And I would say, I already mentioned about acceptance. And the other key thing is that although people do change, a certain level of trust is important. So that you feel that like this is a safe space for me to be who I am and I can like express certain aspects of myself. Without worrying about being judged, being rejected, being punished for being who I am. So I think that is another key idea. And, of course, when you bring all this back together in the SSLD model, we will always say that for this to really happen, you obviously need to have very good communication. Because you know, how you're going to express yourself. Is your expression of self-being accurately understood or received? So those are the things that we cover in this course.