With the interrelationship kind of how do we deal with that acknowledgment and needs not being met? >> So yeah, this is the constant SSLD question, you know. When things change, how do we address our needs within this changed context, right. And we always talk about you know N3C, So and when a relationship changes like we can be related to Like changes in the characteristics of one or both of the partners. It can be also related to the change in the circumstances and it can also be like changing needs. So what now we are dealing with is the last C, that is like building the capacity to negotiate these changes and the differences created by these changes. So the key process still will be very effective open direct communication. >> Okay, with this open direct communication how is that effectively played out in our lives? >> Well, first of all, we realized that the purpose is to communicate to the other party that one, I'm aware of certain changes have happened. I am like wanting to do the best regarding our relationship that can be, you know like negotiating a new pattern of interaction, if that is what we call a transformation, and we can also be like communicating the fact that I want my needs to be met. I am also respectful of the fact that your needs have to be addressed as well. So we want to have like an open communication regarding how the two of us can work together, all right, to make modifications to relationship so that it would like be functional or helpful or beneficial to both of us. So that is likely the general spirit and the knowledge to do that, a key principle is like when we're communicating, we focus on this intention of helping each other to understand our needs better and it's not an exercise in you know placing blame, and who has done wrong. And like whether you owe me or you have done things to hurt me. Try to stay away from the blaming and accusation. >> right. But more focused on what are my needs, what are your needs.