Hi. >> Hi. >> Nice to see you here. You know, this week we have a very special guest. I'm very happy to introduce Jennifer Eremeeva here, and this combination, especially for those who are Russian-speaking people will really make them very curious. How did it happen that you, Jennifer became Eremeeva and found yourself in this city for how many years? >> 22. >> For 22 years. >> That's right. >> Wow please tell us about it. >> Well it's a love story. I mean, I fell in love with a Russian man and we got married. And so it was quite a quick fix. The 22 years is taking a little longer. >> Yeah, I understand. But you managed to do a lot during this period, and I can only mention your books that you've written about Russia and Russian culture and Russian life, so what's the title of your book? >> Well, I have two books. One is a sort of semi-fictitious memoir which is called 'Lenin Lives Next Door' and the other is a nonfiction book on Russian history which is quite a, I used to be a tour guide and worked in the travel business, so this is a very light treatment of Russian history. Somewhat comical but the facts are all there, so for somebody first visiting Russia it's a good place to start. >> Well, I think teaching history in an entertaining way through books and comical stories is a very good idea. I try to do it myself in this course, but maybe it's still a bit too academic. So, I address you guys to Jennifer's books. Then probably you will be the best person to address the question that's been raised a few times, I've raised it myself in the lectures and then participants in the course, the listeners sometimes would agree or disagree with me. Because at some point I mention, actually, quote the authors of the book which is recommended reading for this course. It's a book by three management consultants, British consultants, Nigel Holden, Carr and Cooper where they say, after they've been working here in this country in the 90s, that suddenly this country went through dramatic, tectonic changes in all four directions of public life -- going from public state-owned property to private property, to the idea of private property, the foreign the policy, in federalization issues, in changes from the planned economy to market economy. And add, again, quoting them, that the West has never understood and actually paid tribute to the immensity of these changes and to the suffering, that actually accompanied them. It's a controversial and rather emotional statement, I would say. How do you, as a person that actually lived through this, all these years here, but having this bi-cultural perspective, how do you see this? >> I think you're absolutely right. That this was a phenomenal period of social change that we perhaps are only now realizing how significant it was. Because we're still feeling the aftereffects. Some of the aftershocks are very actual right now. I think that Western perceptions of that period were [INDAUDIBLE] by their great admiration for Mikhail Gorbachev who of course here is seen as a much more controversial figure. But in the West, he's a Nobel Laureate, he does Louis Vuitton ads, he's quite glamorous. And so I think that a lot of Western people saw that as a period of great opportunity, of great openness, change. That all these changes would be positive and that Russia would emerge and be like the rest of us. But for Russians, I think, they remember and I remember really hard times it terms of it was quite a scary place to be because the crime was all over the place. It was hard to find food. And it was, you just never knew one day to the next whether your savings would evaporate, I got scammed on an apartment, lost quite a lot of money. So I think that Western people have trouble understanding the real scary part of that time period. >> The real price, yeah. >> Yeah, and also that the relative stability that came after it was definitely something that Russians really welcomed and were willing to pay a certain amount of price for. I think it's very similar to the way that Russians regard their own geography, which is something I've been thinking about this couple of weeks. And so I remember showing my daughter a picture of a map like we have in the United States. And so in the classic Western presentation of the world you have the Western hemisphere -- America, North America, South America is on one side. And sort of balanced across from it is the large landmass of Europe and that's dominated by Russia. Huge, I mean it's just huge. But, if you look at a map made in Russia, what do you see? You see Russia is in the center of the map and surrounded on all sides by countries not all of whom are terribly friendly. >> Yes. >> And Russians know that in many of their borders, and I think Russian borders are something like 70 countries now, something like this. Like for example in Europe, there's no natural boundary from the Danube River to the Ural Mountains. It's just flat plain and so Russians feel quite vulnerable and exposed in a way that their size is not going to fix. >> Yeah, absolutely. Size creates more problems than [INAUDIBLE]. >> So I think that when we think about how we perceive Russians, we need to, as Westerners, to be very careful about remembering to try to kind of climb into their shoes for a little bit and try to see the world the way that they do. So that's what I try to do anyway. >> Well that's a very good point you make. Actually the whole issue of intercultural communication is an ability to try to climb into someone shoes and see the world from their perspective. Whether you adopt this view or not be at least it is worth a try. Thank you, so see you next time in our class. >> Thank you, that would be delightful to come back. >> Sure.