[MUSIC] So Ana are you ready to make this pitch to Deb? >> Not quite. I've heard she's very serious and I'm really nervous because yeah, we have been planning this for a while and what if she doesn't accept it? >> She's here. >> I, wow. >> [LAUGH] >> [LAUGH] >> Hi Deb, so it's good to be with you today. And as you know we wanted to get together with you today, to kind of like play out, may be the possibility of a new massive open online course as a collaboration between the University of Colorado and the Universidad Complutense de Madrid. So I've known my colleague Ana for a couple of years now and we worked in the first MOOC together. And, well, we're kind of just excited to bring a new idea to you and see what you think, so. >> Could we interrupt, since I haven't met Ana yet. Ana could you just tell me very quickly your name and your role? >> So I'm Ana Sanchez-Prieto. I'm doctor in medieval history and in educational sciences. And I've been working in the University Complutense of Madrid for 20 years. >> Okay that's great. Thank you and I don't know if you know me. I'm Deborah Keyek-Franssen, Associate Vice President for Digital Education and Engagement. I was on the Boulder campus of the University of Colorado for 15 years, and I've been working in the system office for 3 years. >> Well, Ana, what did you have in mind? >> Yeah, I've been teaching medieval manuscripts, medieval illuminated manuscripts for something, 15 years. There's nothing of this sort in the MOOC universe, or at least in Coursera. And I think it would be a very good idea because you don't see so many courses in Coursera, especially, about humanities. So I think it's already, may be the moment to start with humanities in the MOOC universe. >> Well, let me just ask you this, who's the audience for this? I mean, do we really know that people will even sign up for this? >> Librarians or training librarians that should have, at least some acquaintances with medieval manuscripts. And they are normally not so seriously addressed in librarianship programs. But are also book lovers, book collectors. Of course, medieval manuscripts are not something that everybody has at home, because they are very expensive, but there are many facsimile collectors. So I've been working for two companies that make facsimiles of medieval manuscripts. And it's quite a world in itself. So they are very passionate collectors and book lovers. I think there would be quite a public for us. And in general curious about history, and of course, the Middle Ages but also, art history, because we'll contemplate also miniature illumination, a little bit of iconography. >> What about museums? >> Maybe too, but we wouldn't be addressing museum in our central points because, books are normally in libraries. So are not open to the big public parts but most to the researchers. But it's still some medieval manuscripts, illuminated manuscripts, are very, very well known such as the of the. And that you find everywhere. And everybody likes them. So,I don't think we can get as much as such a big audience as Python for Everybody, of Dr. Charles Severance of course. Because there are more people interested in data science or in programming than in medieval manuscripts. I understand that. >> Okay. >> But on the other side there are already many MOOCs about programming and data science, and Python. And there is hardly anything about history and certainly not about medieval history. >> And Roger, I've got a question for you. How are you going to get the word out about this? Because you've both, or Ana has just said that the audience is going to be smaller than those really huge MOOCs. So how are you going to get the word out? You've got a smaller audience so it seems to me that you might have to