[MUSIC] I'm now with the principal of Kamaroi School, Virginia Moller. And Virginia, we've just taken ourselves on a little tour of the school. And I've been incredibly impressed that the integration of the arts into every subject, not just arts on their own like music or visual arts, but in every class. Is that typical of Steiner? Yes, you've hit the nail on the head. It is typical Steiner. As we see the integration of the arts, the social and emotional learning, and the academics. Like real integration is pivotal to the development of the whole person. And the development of a person who've eventually develops meaning and purpose in their lives. So instead of being an add on or something you do on a rainy Wednesday afternoon, it's seen as central, the integration. So the balance is very very necessary for us. And so we put the resources in, human and other kinds of resources to make that happen. One thing I didn't see, well, I think I saw blackboards for the first time in a few years. Yes. And one thing I didn't see, the last schools we were at we had video screens on walls and lots of technology infused learning. Is that a Steiner thing too? Yes it is, and it's due to our developmental approach and our view of child development. So we do remain, what I would call, unplugged, mostly at Kamaroi until the upper grades. That is because, we're not against technology by any means, but it's about when. So we'd like the children to create their own original thought and develop those capacities before utilizing technology because it can be so misused. And in the later stages they can use the technology as a tool. So, for instance, Class Five and Six just recently had a whole day on clay animation and making videos. So they used their creative skills and their considerable artistic skills, I must say, to integrate that into the technology experience. Got you. In a later module of this course, in fact, we're going to look at the pros and the cons, what the research is showing us and we know that it is showing us cons as well as pros. Yes. I wonder how you see a modern reinterpretation of Steiner pedagogy really fitting into the 21st Century. Really it's simple, in that the skills of the 21st Century are all about empathy, inventiveness, connection, storytelling even. These are the skills that can't be automated or outsourced easily. So, for children going into this unknown future, to possess those skills enable flexibility in options, and really the ability to contribute in a meaningful way to the future society. So, its funny to say that about an education which started in 1919. However, it's amazing how relevant it is even today. But it's not a static curriculum or an education either. It does need to adapt to great thinking out there, current educational thinkers. And that's exactly what we need to do. And that's why it needs to be a two-way conversation. You know, between what's happening out there and with technology. I think it's very telling to me Not even thinking about technology, but just thinking about modern education. When you see classrooms which do, truly, on every level, integrate the arts. But also integrate lots of different subjects together, the more academic subjects together as well. Rather than preparing for standardized testing and standardization. Don't get me started there. Yes. But is seems that this is actually, it's almost a resistance against that more than anything else. The results in standardized tests are like what spelling and grammar are to great literature. If it's the be all and end all in itself, well, where are you left? So we're aiming for the great literature. And we're not just focused on the instrumental approach to teaching and learning. [SOUND] Well it sounds like it's lunchtime. Yes. So thank you so much for speaking to me. It's a pleasure. It's been really fascinating to talk, and thanks so much for letting us come and look around your school. It's an absolute pleasure. Any time. Thank you. And now we're going to go and see what a music class, specifically, looks like here at Kamaroi. [MUSIC]