So, the third question for the week six Q & A was from Max and the question was regarding how do we recruit, motivate, engage, retain teachers to use technology whether online or blended. Who aren't the early adopters of technology, but those who are less keen to start using technology. [CROSSTALK] Yeah. >> So those who aren't leading, who aren't way behind, but those in the middle who are trundling along, wanting to do the best they can. I just cut you off, but let's go. >> That's okay, but that's good. >> First of all I just want to say hello to who, Mix Max Min Max anyway, because you're one of our most prolific tweeters in the course and we really appreciate that. So it's good to have your question. It's interesting I think because I've done a little bit of writing about the blockers in education. So for people actually adopting technology, for academics or teachers adopting technology. And there are many of them, I'm not going to sit here and list it. But I will refer back to the paper that I've written in the video so you can have a look. But for me primarily, it's about teachers understanding why they need to do this. And it's because of the way that a lot of people perceive practice and technology as two separate things. When really they're inter-related through everything that we do, society, education, everything. So that I think is a really important thing. And the second half of that is about professional development for staff. So supporting them in understanding, in developing the pedagogy related to their own practice and related to their own industry. >> And also their confidence. >> Yeah. >> To integrate various technologies whatever they may be in their own teaching practice. And even the confidence to change something in their teaching practice, regardless of whether it's with technology or not. So we have to build the confidency and we have to build the skills alongside it as well. >> And I think we're not there yet. I can only speak for higher education personally because that's what I know most about. And we're not there yet in terms of institutional support. In many cases, there's people doing great work and a lot groups within educational institutions supporting people fantastically. But it's really difficult to do that on the whole. >> Absolutely. >> Institutions move very slowly, they find it hard to change existing practice and adapt really quickly. And most importantly we're all different teachers, we all teach things very differently. We all have different requirements in that process. And I think that's being illustrated in the assignments that have been coming in as well. >> Yeah, but having said that as well, I think those of us who are perhaps the early adopters or who have made a little bit of progress in that field. To support those who are just starting to get involved. So for example, very simply, if you've experimented with a blog let's say or Wiki or whatever it may be. And regardless of whether it went well or whether it didn't go so well, if you've got other colleagues or speak to other colleagues around. Other teachers that you teach with for example, and if they also want to try it out, bring forward your experiences. If it was successful, give them tips on why it was successful. If it wasn't successful, give them tips as to why it wasn't, what you learned from it. I mean that's what we do all the time as well. >> Yeah, and I just want to say that's actually very reminiscent of the paper by Styles and York from a few years ago where they talk about the isolated development trap. Where everyone is kind of working away, trying to develop these new things in all these different places, but they don't know about each other. So I think sharing the practice is important. That's what this MOOC is about, that's what the case studies we've done are about. So why not try to do that in your own institutions as well? >> Yeah, I mean a lot of the conversations we know about our teaching practice or whatever it may be is often outside of formal places. So even if there are workshops and there's opportunities to have those kind of communication. It's really those backstage conversations in the periphery by the water cooler over coffee, just in the hallway that really actually starts to make an impact. >> And just lastly maybe, I think you said this off camera, make sure you go slow. So don't try and bite off too much and do things a little bit of at a time and also just help everyone around you. >> Yep, one step at a time. >> Yeah.