Okay, time for the final question in the top five. And that is, what resistance do teachers have when they begin teaching online courses for the first time by Keeley? I hope I'm pronouncing your name properly. Forgive me if I'm not. I'll jump in, because I think we both worked with faculty members for a long time, but I've seen some interesting resistance. Some strong resistance, and I think people fear what they really don't understand and they don't understand how it will effect them. I've seen people think that this is going to take my job, because it's all automated. It's like a robot teaching. It's not going to be as good. It's about saving money and lowering the expectations of the educational quality, that sort of thing. >> That's actually a really good one, because I've been hearing that for over ten years now. That regardless of what discipline it is, if that course is now online. Surely the experience the students will receive, will not even come close. To the type of experience they will receive with me being in the classroom. I used to hear that back in 2004, 2003. I'm still hearing that now and it's a cultural shift more than anything, but it's also a course design point. So like Simon said earlier to another question, it's not about taking what you teach face to face and dumping it online >> Because part of that of what you are teaching face to face is your presence in the classroom. And is an engagement that you're providing just by being in the classroom. And if that's completely omitted when you go online but you don't replace that with something else. Then potentially, that experience for the students could suffer. And so, It's actually thinking what making sure you have effective teacher presence happening in the course. Along with everything else and effectively designing the course. And thinking about, okay, if I’m sitting there online as a student. What do I need to receive in order to be fulfilled from that course. >> Yeah. >> Which is why I actually one of the great things is, for those who are teaching them online. To experience it as a student as well, which is what the course can provide. >> Well actually interesting, when we ran a fellowship program. We called in the faculty to actually help people bring them together and support them. To get them through these fears, to actually develop online courses and we made them do that. They actually went into the online environment they are going to be teaching in. And they submitted their development milestone and they experienced it from that flip side. So I think giving them the experience so that they understand it’s not so bad. Also, if providing example, showing what can be done and having colleagues who go through a process explain it to their colleagues. Because what we found is, no matter what we said, people think, you've seen this as well. >> Yep. >> But no matter what we said, people did not believe us. But when we're actually were able to connect with someone in that discipline area. And they went, this isn't, this isn't so bad. Then they went back and that actually started to spread. Because, there's that level of trust there, so it's just about not understanding what it's about. But, you have to provide a strong level of support for anyone who's learning to teach online. That's what we trying to do a degree in this. That is also why we keep pushing you to find connection and support amongst each other. And also in your local in your area where you're working. Anything like that, because it's about contextualizing this information. Had another great point, but I can't remember, so I'll throw to you. >> Other than that quality aspect, in terms of the resistance. That's one of the main ones really that I've heard. And as Simon mentioned, as being concerned that, well, if my course is delivered online. Then teachers will soon be non, you know, non existent. They won't be necessary. In fact, I've actually read some of that in terms of MOOCS in the MOOC space. And the resistance in terms of MOOCS are now going to take over our jobs, our teaching jobs And I've been hearing, yeah. >> No, sorry, it's funny, because it's exactly the same argument from ten years ago >> With online courses, yeah. >> Exactly, come back again. So it's just, I think about finding it's place in relation to how we teach. I think face to face teaching is always going to be incredibly important. But it's about finding what these new technologies are actually good at and how to integrate it in. And I'm hoping that all of you guys who are actually here experiencing this will reflect on that as you go through. And start thinking about what do I really do well face to face and what are some things I can use this approach for. >> But it's also realising that, even in the fully online course, regardless of whether it's a credit course at your school or whether it's MOOC. Without having some sort of a teacher. Or whoever, an educator, behind it, it really wouldn't be all that effective. If you take away that teacher presence completely. If you imagine the MOOC that you're in right now. And Simon and I did not exist, we decide we went to the Bahamas or somewhere for vacation. Completely during the eight weeks. And even before the eight weeks, we would take off as well. There'd be a serious lack in the course. >> Yeah. >> I mean you could say okay well Simon and Negin have designed this course. And next time that it's offered, well, somebody else could come and do it. Or actually we don't even need the teacher anymore because they've already designed it. And I've heard that. But that's, without us actually there present to update the course with updated material. Check to see whether the course, how did it run the first time? How do we want to improve it? But technology doesn't do that. You still need a human factor involved to see, this forum worked. This one didn't. I'm going to change it. These activities completely, you know, flopped. We need to change that. An educator needs to be in there to change it. While the course is running. Even more important, you need somebody there to be looking at the forums, answering your questions. Even if it's not all the time, there needs to be some of that teaching presence there. So, when I hear that people are concerned that the MOOCs or the online courses or anything of that sort of technology is going to take the teaching jobs away. And I've heard that. And I continue to hear it all the time. It's not true. >> It's just a different space. But we might recommend a couple of papers. I've written a couple about this, actually. So I might throw them up with the video so people can have a look. I just want to thank you so much for these questions. It's fantastic to engage with you. And I am really looking forward to the questions for week two. Please get them in, we'll put the forum up very soon. Get your questions in, vote. And we'll see you again like this next week. >> Sounds good. >> Thanks. >> Looking forward to. >> Thanks everyone.
